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kudzey

Posted 11 Nov '20 from Poland with 11 ratings

Hi, do you buy or sell rums online at shops or auctions? Can you recommend some webpages?

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vomi1011

From Germany with 239 ratings Replied 11 Nov '20

What kind of rum, extreamly rare?
FB Group "Rum Collectors"
https://rumauctioneer.com
https://www.catawiki.pl
ebay

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kudzey

From Poland with 11 ratings Replied 12 Nov '20

I'd like to seek for the ones under 1000 USD but hoping for a better price on the auction

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vomi1011

From Germany with 239 ratings Replied 12 Nov '20

If you sell at auction you have to pay the auction fee (Catawiki: 15% in Germany and the buyer have to pay 9%). Rumauctioneer (6% and 12% incl. tax for the buyer). Buyers calculate their costs in the price and don't bid more than it's worth.
Under 1000 it's not a very rare rum, you will loose money if you sell at an auction.
Sometimes I buy at the auctions for good prices, but bargains are seldom.
See the last auction, it was a disaster for sellers:
https://rumauctioneer.com/november-2020-auction

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Stefan Persson (PREMIUM)

From Sweden with 164 ratings Replied 12 Nov '20

I sometimes shop from Ebay or bet on Catawiki.
On Ebay, it’s common for sellers to try to charge extra prices, so you have to check what the product costs on the web. I usually negotiate with the seller to get a reasonable price.
Before I bid on Catawiki, I first calculate how much I’m willing to bid by first checking the price on the web and then also taking into account the 9% fee to Catawiki and what the seller has for delivery cost. It’s common for sellers to have excessive delivery costs.
When I shop online, I use ExcellenceRhum or RhumAttitude in Paris if I’m going to buy Agricole. Both have a very good range.
In Germany I usually shop from Drinkology.
I also usually shop from some Italian webshops, mostly from BaboWine.

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kudzey

From Poland with 11 ratings Replied 13 Nov '20

Do you pay any additional taxes when the rum is shipped to your country from abroad online shops?

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Stefan Persson (PREMIUM)

From Sweden with 164 ratings Replied 13 Nov '20

The Swedish rules mean that you must do it, but I don’t do it.
The Swedish customs do not normally check packages sent from another EU country.
So far I have not been affected by any control, but I have now stopped ordering from the UK as they have now left the EU.

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vomi1011

From Germany with 239 ratings Replied 13 Nov '20

@kudzey
I only buy in the EU, no taxes here.
This is a great shop, but they don't offer paypal for payments.
https://sklep-domwhisky.pl
Can you buy there and tell me whether I can trust this one? It's from you country.

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Stefan Persson (PREMIUM)

From Sweden with 164 ratings Replied 13 Nov '20

I have also noticed sklep-domwhisky, but never tried them. Would be interesting to hear if we can trust them.

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kudzey

From Poland with 11 ratings Replied 13 Nov '20

Recently I ordered several bottles from them. Everything was ok and the shipping was fast and cheap (around 25 PLN which is roughly 5EUR but it was sent to Poland). I hate to learn that i need to pay around 30EUR for shipping from rumauctioneer or catawiki. Bank transfer was also save. Nothing to complain about, I strongly recommend domwhisky.

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kudzey

From Poland with 11 ratings Replied 16 Nov '20

By the way, any recommendations to invest my money in and sell the bottle after 10 years? I thought of Appleton 50 yo or Caroni.

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vomi1011

From Germany with 239 ratings Replied 16 Nov '20

What is your budget? Appleton 50 costs around € 5.8k with 800 bottles and is still available.
That's bad for a 2012 release and initial price of 4k. It's not bottled at cask strength, which reduces the value for me. If you want a legend find the Velier Demerara Rum Skeldon 1978 or the Diamond SVW 1996.
Caronis are still affordable, always a good investment.
Plantation extreme series are in great demand.
The Savanna distillery is not very popular right now, but their "Wild Island Collection" is of high quality and is limited to around 700 bottles:
http://leblogaroger.eu/index.php/en/2020/10/10/savanna-wild-island-collection-2/
I found and bought all bottles of this set.

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kudzey

From Poland with 11 ratings Replied 17 Nov '20

I thought about investing around 10000 EUR. How long would you wait before re-selling? Do you sell on the auction we spoke about?

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vomi1011

From Germany with 239 ratings Replied 17 Nov '20

Rum is not the best investment. I would prefer to collect and drink that stuff, without a specific time horizon. If one of these bottles suddenly became very expensive, I would sell it.
I think in five years all Caroni employee releases will double the price.
If you buy some stocks or crypto currencies you can double your investment in a few months.
I don't like to sell at this auctions, I prefer to set the price myself. I sell at a fixed price on ebay or to other collectors.

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kudzey

From Poland with 11 ratings Replied 18 Nov '20

What do you think about El Dorado Skeldon 2000? It's relatively cheap at the moment.

By the way, Vomi thank you for sharing your knowledge with me, i feel really grateful.

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vomi1011

From Germany with 239 ratings Replied 18 Nov '20

There was a discussion in German forums about ElD releases.
Some bottles are very good, others are only average. The demand for this bottles is not very high and that's again the problem here. Almost all are still available. I tasted Enmore 1993 and it was average in the high end range. Skeldon and Albion are among the better bottlings.
These are the best bottlings according to German forums: Enmore 1996, PM & Diamond 2001, Albion, Skeldon, Diamond 1998.
You will find some reviews here:
https://in-spiritus-veritas.blogspot.com/2020/11/el-dorado-rare-collection-diamond.html
There are legendary bottlings, they just get more expensive and are not worth drinking. They are expensive to buy and they get even more expensive.
Then there are Velier Caroni bottlings, some of them are going to be legends.
Then there are some good bottlings for drinking, they are affordable without a great demand. That's the ElD range. Maybe one day prices will go up, but not in recent years.

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